Monkstown Stream

[Navanman]

When I was small (maybe I should say young ) that outlet was not on the beach. Maybe I am wrong????

I think that piping was only put in "recently".


NM

[Micheál]

I think youre right Navanman. The square section ducting is relatively new - probably 60s - 70's - maybe even more recent than that. I think it was preceded by a round section pipe of some sort.

M

When the Widow Gambles 'Swamp' was culverted in the mid- late 60s, they used square pre-cast concrete sections. (Yeah, I checked them out too).

[grammer]

Great detective work there Micháel and photos too.

[Denis Cromie]

You're Navanman that outlet was not there in the 50's/6o's. It was a very popular swimming place,we use to call it The Gut.

[Navanman]

Why was it called the Gut anybody?

Where were the Ramparts? and why was it called the Ramparts.

I know I asked this before and nobody answered me - does anybody remember "diving" off a "big" rock in Salthill. It was just about 20ft. out and we used "swim out" to it and dive off.

I saw it a few years back and it is now only just about popping out of the sand.


NM

[Denis Cromie]

I'm not sure why it was built but it is great sun trap and also provides a place to dive from. The Ramparts are described as a defensive castle wall with a walkway so it may have just been christened Ramparts because it resembled the defensive wall. I believe it was built as a public amenity. In regards the 20 foot rock I don't remember anything that high in Salthill.

[skins]

Why was it called the Gut anybody?

Where were the Ramparts? and why was it called the Ramparts.

I know I asked this before and nobody answered me - does anybody remember "diving" off a "big" rock in Salthill. It was just about 20ft. out and we used "swim out" to it and dive off.

I saw it a few years back and it is now only just about popping out of the sand.


NM

Navanman,
The only large rock I can remember was known as "The Bullier". It was about half-way between Salthill and Seapoint. When we were learning to swim you hadn't "arrived" until you'd been able to swim out and back to it. Doubt very much that it was 20 feet high though.

[Navanman]

Everybody - it was 20 ft. out. i.e out from the shore not out of the ground.

Jaytee if you are in D/L tomorow and the tide is out would you mind terribly taking a photo of salthill beach.

I remember sitting on the grass dunes in Salthill and when you looked out a good bit you could see the seagulls hovering. I think it was the sewerage going into the sea .


NM

[Micheál]

We used to wade out to the rock and 'talk bull' all day.

Navanman is right about the seagulls but thats all gone now ever since Corpo started exporting our sh## to Ringsend. Serves them right for letting Cromwell land.

However, Monkstown and/or Ballinclea stream is used as an overflow for the sewage system so theres still hope for the seagulls if the system gets overloaded.

m.

[Gulliver]

Micheál

Managed to get around to the back of the Friends Meeting Hall to see if there was any indication of a stream there. There is a pathway there. There is no indication of whether there is a buried culvert beneath the pathway. Will need to talk to someone from the council, or someone in the Quakers who has the old records of the site to settle the route of the stream

[Micheál]

Came across two interesting(?) reports the other night –

1. A 2011 DLR CoCo Bathing Place Report confuses Monkstown Stream with Balliclea (Mickey Briens) Stream. That said, it may be somewhat academic since it’s a single stream that meets the sea – referred throughout as Monkstown

“The following streams have the potential to impact on the water quality of the Seapoint Beach Area; the Priory Stream, the Monkstown Stream, the Brewery Stream, the Trimelston Stream. The catchment contains three pump stations that overflow to the sea and are capable of affecting the water quality at the designated beach area namely Blackrock Pump Station, Tobernea Pump Station and the West Pier Pump Station. The pumping stations are checked daily and regularly maintained. The majority of the catchment is drained by a combined sewer system. Works are ongoing to separate some of these combined sewers into separate foul and surface water sewers, reducing the number of overflows that may occur.
The water quality in the streams is checked in numerous locations on the streams regularly. The water quality in the bathing area is also checked regularly with these results posted on the notice board. Any overflows from the adjacent West Pier pumping station will trigger an automated electronic notice board that will inform bathers of the overflow. This information will remain on the electronic notice board for 12 hours”

. . .


"Point Source: Monkstown Stream: The stream is a very local stream. It begins in Sallynoggin and runs in open cut through the former Dun Laoghaire Golf Club lands. It enters the sea at the point where the west side of the West Pier of Dun Laoghaire Harbour meets the coastline approximately 250 meters from the designated bathing area. The catchment is quite small."
(Micheál comment: This is obviously the Ballinclea /Rochestown/Mickey Brien Stream)

. . .

"The Monkstown Stream catchment is suburban. It receives 2 overflows from the sewer network. For samples taken at Drayton Close in 2009 and 2010 the mean level of ammonia was 0.33 mg/l, of phosphorus was 0.14mg/l as P and BOB was less than 2 mg/l. Given the very high water quality analysis results at the bathing area, the risk of pollution from the Monkstown Stream is considered to be low"



2. A recent environmental impact statement for the Sutton to Sandycove (S2S) Cycleway mentions
“Monkstown Stream is culverted beneath the railways tracks, just south of the slipway at the start of the West Pier, Dun Laoghaire. There was no existing water quality available for this stream. However, the outfall of this stream is not located in close proximity to the proposed route of S2S

. . . .

"One of the main Foul Drains for the area crosses beneath the railway tracks at approximately the start of Block 20 – 23 of the apartments at Salthill. It travels northeast towards the West Pier Pumping Station. Another foul sewer runs from east to west alongside the pathway between the back of the pumping station and the tracks. This is another main Foul Drain, which crosses to the seaward side of the tracks behind the Nautical College and runs east to west before being directed towards the West Pier pumping station."

Confused? Me too.

[grammer]

[Navanman]

Brilliant!!!! I really liked that.


NM

[Strum]

Yeah and what about my recent Ballinclea contribution?

[grammer]

[Strum]

And now with the additional Smartphone / Mobile Web Browser Access thing I can STREAM this to my Mobile.

[Rocker]

I'm just jealous of yis all being able to put up photos with writing on them....priceless. The sewage thing is something else,,,every so often we see the gulls gathering at Killiney...there must be the odd leak...the you know what is supposed to go a mile out to sea beyond the yellow buoy.

[Navanman]

I agree Rocker. How are ye doing it?. Grammer how did you get the picture of Clare Daly in the first place and then how did you add the text? Do you run any IT classes I can join?


NM

[Denis Cromie]

Grammer's just a clever clogs.

[Strum]

I'm just jealous of yis all being able to put up photos with writing on them....priceless.

Find a photo with Google images and use Microsoft paint in accessories for the text.

The sewage thing is something else,,,every so often we see the gulls gathering at Killiney...there must be the odd leak...the you know what is supposed to go a mile out to sea beyond the yellow buoy.

No leaks. There's a new 250 million euro sewage plant there now. The large flocks of gulls are usually attracted by shoals of fish swimming near the surface.

[grammer]

Strum » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:43 pm

Rocker wrote:
I'm just jealous of yis all being able to put up photos with writing on them....priceless.


Find a photo with Google images and use Microsoft paint in accessories for the text.

Clearly explained Strum
any problems -just shout NM

[Gulliver]

I agree Rocker. How are ye doing it?. Grammer how did you get the picture of Clare Daly in the first place and then how did you add the text? Do you run any IT classes I can join?


NM

Navanman
Have you ever noticed the key marked "PrtScn" or "Print Screen". You've probably tried it sometime and expected it to print a copy of the screen... It does not. But it takes a copy of the screen, and you can paste it into any system which has a "paste" facility e.g. Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Paint, Paintshop Pro, Photoshop or any of hundreds of others. So if you have Clare Daly on screen (e.g. on Oireachtas TV), that's how you "grab" her... if you'll pardon the expression.

[Micheál]

And if you have several windows open on your screen at the same time, only one will be 'active' (in use & on top). You can confine your 'grab' to just the 'active' window by pressing Alt & PrtScr

M.

[Micheál]

Heres a nice little chart I found - havent seen it anywhere else. It purports to date from 1760's. And there's our two streams!

Monkstown Village seems misplaced - more like Kill or Mounttown.

Never knew there was a "Brackenstown". Might this be where the name Brackenbush Park (Watsons) comes from? Must surely be modern Ballybrack

And a new stream into Bullock too !!





My source is Bibliothèque Nationale de France, Département Cartes et Plans, GESH18PF29DIV7P3D its part of a larger chart covering Wicklow to Balbriggan. The full chart is here . .http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b53010900x/f2.zoom

[Strum]

Good find Michael.